Chicago-area manufacturer to lay off 150 people, move operations to Mexico, to avoid tariffs on Chinese metal
為躲避對中國金屬施加的關稅，芝加哥地區的製造商解僱了150人，並把業務搬到墨西哥
評論翻譯
PforPanchetta511
The worst part is, even after Orange Clown Dimwit Donnie is gone, these jobs usually never come back.
最糟糕的部分在於，即使那個橙色小丑傻瓜唐尼下台了，那些工作崗位通常也不會再回來。
letmeexplainitforyou
Oh it's far worse than that - the companies that establish businesses based on his changes in policy (such as removing restictions on something) can't just be moved away. If they establish an oil drilling rig, they have legal repercussions to being told that the law is changing and they can't drill now. Cleanup of this disaster will take far longer than most even presume now, which is about the only reason anyone sane would want Mueller to hurry up.
humanoideric
this tariff BS is the biggest and most blatantly incompetent thing trump has endorsed. I cant believe it hasnt sparked nationwide resistance -- its killings hundreds of real local and/or small businesses, every week.
MiasmaFate
I don’t think he was talking to us when he said that.
我覺得他說那句話的時候並不是給我們說的。
Edogawa1983
Putin seems to be doing really well.
普京似乎乾的相當不錯。
cromwest
That really sucks. They make metal safes so it's understandable that a tariff on metal would sink them. As someone that lives and works in Chicago I hate it when any company closes nearby. Wish we could do something about it but there isn't much to do when the federal government gets high off red pills and goes insane.
platypode
Vote. Get everyone you know to do the same. It's our best first step towards stopping the bleeding.
投票。讓你認識的每個人都做這件事。這是我們阻止流血的最佳的第一步。
Runnerphone
Sorry but no the fact is China undercuts everyone by selling for less then the raw materials cost it's been proven. China is a piece of[ shit ]trump is a piece of[ shit ]but this problem has been decades in the making by admins both sides mil ind you allowing China to dick over the us and other nations sad as it us what trump is doing should have been done years and years ago before it got as fucked as it is.
cromwest
Yeah. But no one else is participating in this tarrif so China can just export to other western companies, putting ours at a disadvantage.
If you want to clamp down on China you need the WTO and huge trade agreements like the TPP otherwise we just[ fuck ]ourselves over like right now.
skipperdude
If they really are dumping steel in the US, why don't people use the WTO rules to fight it? That is exactly the kind of thing the WTO handles.
如果他們真的在美國傾銷鋼鐵，為什麼人們不用WTO的規則進行打擊呢？這正是WTO應對的事情。
Happy_Heathan
This is exactly what the experts have been warning us about. The only people this is helping is the American steel industry.
The American steel industry can't keep up with the current demand in this country, so how is this going to help the average American company that requires steel and aluminum.
There is a global economy and we have to part of it, this America only stuff isn't a viable option and most individuals with a basic understanding of macro econimics should know that.
Damnwhiskey Illinois
About 25 years ago American steel could have walked through these orders. Look at what US Steel did in 96, when it folded and couldn't even pay it's employees self funded pensions as the CEO's walked away with millions. Look at the way China leveraged the market over the past 15 years and drove the price of steel into the ground with cheap labor and product. There should have been checks and tariffs put on these items then, and they weren't. Now with yet another aluminium mill down in Indiana, and talks of closing yet another steel plant, these factories have had no help. Due in part to greedy corporations and a declining skilled labor force.
What needs to happen now is a check in corporate profits and a bill introduced to promote investment within these companies on American soil. Get these factories back up and running with the latest technology, cleaner emissions, and a more productive layout and system. Paying these employees a decent living wage is a great incentive to keep qualified, smart plant hands who know thier systems inside and out. Unemployment is at it's lowest, manufacturing is fizzling but still booming, where is the money going? Now is the time to invest and buckle down and we are sitting stagnant.
This was kind of a tangent to help answer your question. I apologize.
As while it does not seem to be helping other manufacturing companies at the current moment, it lends a hand to American steel being able to build and supply a quality product and fix the labor shortage it's faced the last 30 years. If they can re-man and adapt to the current stress it should set up more American companies to be more prosperous as well as offering a cheaper rate to these companies in the future when the tariffs are inevitably rolled back.
One thing that had always boggled my mind is how steel can be made in China and shipped by boat, rail, and truck and can still be cheaper than a product made 25 miles away from where it is being installed.
Idk. Minus these companies closing on the short end and moving to Mexico, I think they should be given a break to stay, given an audit and if finances really are that tight given a break.. but on the other hand if there is still quite a bit of revenue coming in and they say thier broke and that they're leaving the country their products should be on the tariff list as well, meaning they will still be much less in demand.
Runnerphone
It's cheaper because China cheats honestly. Profits aren't that important to Chinese companies when they don't control a market steel for example was shown years ago to be sold for less then you could buy the raw materials in China for. Why? Because the gov will accept the loss for their companies to push others out of a market and take it over. As you said this[ shit ]show should have been dealt with decades ago. People also don't get that free trade is a scam when it comes to China and mexico. Free trade is ment to allow free flow of goods between nations for the us EU and Japan it works why? Because the standard of living is high enough for said people to buy each others products. China and Mexico for example the average wage is to low for most people to afford US EU or Japanese goods. NAFTA for examples biggest use was for us companies to close us operations move to mexico for cheaper labor and send stuff back to the us.
skipperdude
You say you like capitalism, but there are so many anti-capitalist ideas in there it's sad.
你說你喜歡資本主義，但這麼多點子都是反資本主義的，真可悲。
Damnwhiskey Illinois
I don't think I uttered that statement once. I'm for a thriving business to where all workers are held in high regard and paid well for thier services. All while maintaining a competitive and quality product. My comment backs up that notion. The only place where you could even say I had anti-capitalist ideals is where I had mentioned that when China tanked the steel industry, there should have been tariffs leveraged from the beginning to even out the market. Also with providing incentives for these businesses with a high profit gain to be pushed towards investing into the company and employees themselves, rather than stock buybacks and bank accounts. If you could take the time and provide me with more information to back up your comment, that would be great.
Blastgirl69
I wonder, are Republicans tired of winning and "Making America Great Again". This does not help American people at all.
我很好奇，共和黨是否厭煩了“勝利”和“讓美國再次偉大”。這種做法根本無助於美國老百姓。
ph33randloathing
No one knew that winning would suck so much.
當時沒人知道勝利會這麼糟糕。
smagmite
Whew, I'm getting tired of all this winning.
口哨，我厭煩了這種勝利。
sexrobot_sexrobot
There are so many industries like this in this part of the country, where most of the manufacturing base has already relocated but the specialist parts have been left behind. It doesn't take much for them to go.
treemister1
"what is your purpose of visiting"
"I'm going to work Greg, just like yesterday"
"Don't be a snide asshat Bill, this is my job as ridiculous as this part of it is"
PParker46
All wars have casualties, often enough for the survivors on the ground to say it was not worth it. But then there are others flying at 40.000 feet and from that level they can just announce winning and even convince themselves that it's true.
futurefiresUptown
I dislike Trump as well but let's not be so ignorant as to think the tariffs are the primary reason this company is moving MORE (that's right they already have operations in Mexico) to Mexico.
It's just another excuse for corporate execs to cost cut.
Parasamgate
So Trump's trade war gave them cover to move? Guess we will be seeing more of this then.
所以特朗普的貿易戰給他們的搬遷打了掩護？那麼我覺得我們會見證更多這種事。
futurefiresUptown
It gives them an excuse to blame someone else as to why they are moving but they would have moved anyway.
"The company already has a plant in China and another in Mexico, and its only U.S. factories were the two in the Chicago area, Fletcher said"
alot_the_murdered
I'm sure there are a great many examples, but a niche PC case manufacturer did the same thing a couple weeks ago. They went bankrupt and blamed the tariffs, but the reality is that they did a shit job running their business and were going to go bankrupt anyways.
It's an easy scapegoat and doesn't harm the company's reputation as much as "we moved these factories to Mexico so we could get richer".
SinkHoleDeMayo
Funny enough, subsidizing US made goods are far more effective than tariffs on foreign goods.
真好笑，補貼美國製造的商品要比對外國商品徵收關稅有效得多。
kryppla
subsidy is a bad word! Unless it's to offset one of your own stupid policies.
補貼是個不好的詞彙！除非它是為了彌補你國自己的某項愚蠢政策。
Silidon
Or for fossil fuels. Need to make sure they stay super profitable so that we’re not picking winners in the energy sector.
或者是化石燃料。需要讓他們保持超級盈利的狀態，這樣我們就不用在能源領域選擇贏家了。
ButDidYouCryNear West Side
Thank you Trump!
謝謝你特朗普！
futurefiresUptown
Wake up, Trump is not the reason they are moving to Mexico, they are using him to soften the blow to their rep.
You think Trump is the reason this company already moved much of its operations to Mexico years ago?
Don't be so ignorant. Disclaimer I hate Trump too but I don't jump on every bullshit nonsense news story to fit my agenda while continuing to peddle false narratives.
The problem with BOTH sides right now is that they only want the truth if it fits their agenda, it's truly sad how this is defining our lives right now.
fightinihoptypebeat
So why else would they be moving to Mexico than for a cheaper cost of materials for operations? Genuinely curious, because that part seems to be left out.
Neverdied
The point is still that Chicago and the US is going to lose those jobs to another country BECAUSE of tariffs imposed BY Trump. The fault is still on Trump no matter if the company had hedged their bets. Without tariffs who is to say they would not have stayed here or used their presence for management etc... I don t know and you don t know
End of story is jobs are leaving following tariffs hence Trump is to blame.
makotech222
Just a thought for everyone here. If this business was completely owned by their workers, would they all collectively decide to move their own jobs away to Mexico?
請諸位想一想。如果這些業務完全歸那些工人所有，他們會集體決定把自己的工作崗位搬到墨西哥嗎？
Wooly_Willy
Probably not, but that also doesn't mean they could continue to operate with large raw material increases on the horizon. It was likely already unprofitable as a plant, and this was just the death knell. Plants get closed for a variety of reasons, but they will not operate at a loss just for the sake of jobs.
makotech222
You're missing the point. If the workers owned the business, they could still be paid a salary, even if the profit was 0. If it was less, they could decrease their salaries to stay afloat. Both of which are immensely preferable to just closing shop.
To a capitalist, if the business isn't making >5% profit, then they will just sell off and try something else, without regards to anyone working there.
Tr1pline
If you're at a dead end job and would rather take a pay cut then yes.
如果你的工作沒有出路，而且寧願減薪，那麼可以。
aspenbordr
Yes, they still would decide to do this.
100 workers paying themselves $5 each per year on a business that generates a total of $500/year in revenues. So no profit after they pay themselves. Fully owned equally by the 100 workers.
Now, if, instead, the workers can replace themselves with Mexican workers for $2/hour, now the business costs $200/year to run and generates $300/year in profits.
Each worker now gets a share of the $300/year for doing nothing anymore (they outsourced), so that's $3 per year. They then find another job that pays them $5 (or heck, $4, or even $3) and they're better off than they were before.
shakeszilla
Where do these magical factories exist with zero operating costs, debts, and other expenditures?
哪裡有這麼神奇的工廠？運行成本、債務和其他開支都為零？
s1300045
Yeah... I get what you are saying, and I 100% agree with everything. I just want to share a thought, my pessimistic view.
What we are describing here is already a case study. It's called the pension fund or a 401k. Workers save up a portion of their salary to invest or "buy" a slice of the company. So one day the worker can "retire" and live off of the piece of company he/she owns...
I really like that idea, but that honestly didn't work a lot of people. Especially during 2008. So many people got screwed over... The people that are supposed to manage the fund did a terrible job. So many people lost their pensions. I was fresh out of college during that time, and I worked on projects for those big banks to "help" companies liquidate their pension liabilities. Those long time employees really got screwed over. It was bad.
I don't have a better solution. I have a 401k because there is nothing better out there. I am lucky enough to live a debt free lifestyle and achieve FIRE, but I understand that is not possible for a lot of people...
Some people are just dealt with a shitty hand, man. Some of them are truly fucked by their circumstances.
PhysicsMan12
It's hard to say. They either would all move to Mexico to keep their business profitable, or they would have to close their doors and start a new business. The article stated the operation of the business isn't profitable with the tariffs in place. So if the workers all owned the business they would either have to move to make it profitable again, or move into a new business area.
greenpeppercorns
I see what you’re doing and I like it
我明白你在做的事情，我很喜歡。
deus-inter-homines
If it was worker owned they'd be out of business within 2 years just like every other failure that's tried this idea .
如果是員工持股，他們會像其他所有試過這種想法並失敗的公司一樣，在兩年內倒閉。
EnochChicagoIrving
No
不會。
kingchilifrito
Presumably they could get another job somewhere so yes, they'd move to cut labor costs.
我猜測他們會在別的什麼地方找到另一份工作，所以是的，他們的搬遷會降低勞動力成本。
PMnewb
Probably not, because it would require all of them uprooting their lives.
Pretty much the only multinational corporations with an employee-owned structure are engineering and construction firms, because they can operate worldwide with just a few employees actually located in the country where the work is being performed.
dave_312
"The company already has a plant in China and another in Mexico, and its only U.S. factories were the two in the Chicago area, Fletcher said. "
Sounds like the only thing the tariffs did was impact timing...
聽起來關稅帶來的唯一影響就是倒計時……
ooo-ooo-oooyea
Nothing more american than Safes
沒有什麼比保險箱更美國的了。
fightinihoptypebeat
True but it’s not like those drawing upsides haven’t always been present for decades... there had to have been either a singular or multiple factors that pushed them over the edge and made them decide to outsource operations. Considering the political climate and how dumb these tariffs are getting this was likely the last straw. Outrage media likes to point at Trump for so many things but for some reason the very present effects of the trade war go unnoticed, which is ironic because it’s one of his few policy decisions.
kingchilifrito
A tariff is a tax on commerce, just like a tax is a tax on commerce. Illinois has a lot of taxes but nobody's jimmies seem to be ruffled by that.
