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原帖由 pc321 於 2009-5-9 08:06 PM 發表

Wiki 其實E+限制左修改文章, 所以都算Ok, 而就64主題, Wiki 的資料尚算中肯, 不過內容上未算豐富.
資料準確度方面英文版同中文版有些出入, 你可以對照一下.
http://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E5%85% ...
好的,我睇咗呢啲先.....



各位,我今日要閃,下次再講.....

不過臨有少少感言,
其實我覺得陳同學講嘢係幾清晰同有責任心的,
至少佢最後強調自己唔代表港大(學生會)....
至於佢自己既立場同群眾唔同,佢係應該有呢個權利的....

(你可能話我食古不化,但我覺得中大學生會出情色版事件,港大學生會出陳同學事件,前者 更令人汗顏.......)

我頭先諗,如果柴玲同學有膽量同陳同學一樣,為自己既無心之失導致既損失道歉,呢個世界會美好啲.....至於柴同學自己係咪有心要推翻政府,要血既見證.....係一回事,但佢既言論,倒底應該代表當年幾多成既學生既內心願望呢?



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原帖由 看電視 於 2009-5-9 08:52 PM 發表

其實我覺得陳同學講嘢係幾清晰同有責任心的,
至少佢最後強調自己唔代表港大(學生會)....
至於佢自己既立場同群眾唔同,佢係應該有呢個權利的....


我頭先諗,如果柴玲同學有膽量同陳同學一樣,為自己既無心之失導致既損失道歉,呢個世界會美好啲.....至於柴同學自己係咪有心要推翻政府,要血既見證.....係一回事,但佢既言論,倒底應該代表當年幾多成既學生既內心願望呢?
陳同學有乜錯要道歉?陳同學的率直和柴玲推人去死的罪點比?

在整場運動中,最想流血的是誰?是中國政府?是學運領袖?是支聯會?

支聯會一知學生要撤,馬上派人帶鉅款上北京,香港邱延亮、林耀強死拖住學生,唔給學生撤!



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原帖由 九龍★皇帝 於 2009-5-9 10:21 PM 發表

陳同學有乜錯要道歉?陳同學的率直和柴玲推人去死的罪點比?

在整場運動中,最想流血的是誰?是中國政府?是學運領袖?是支聯會?

支聯會一知學生要撤,馬上派人帶鉅款上北京,香港邱延亮、林耀強死拖住學生 ...
咪係囉, 指出唔到陳同學錯系邊, 道咩歉?



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原帖由 古靈仔 於 2009-5-9 10:31 PM 發表


咪係囉, 指出唔到陳同學錯系邊, 道咩歉?
有陣時我真係唔明,
我明明讚緊陳同學,點解又要反駁我?

如果睇晒我篇文,
應該明白我係講緊陳同學修養好,
我唔係話陳同學要道歉....
我只係話即時佢整件事唔係有咩錯,
但係佢都願意為咗自己既言論令港大學生被外界批評,而感到歉意咁解......
相比之下,柴同學隨便幾句,導致傷亡,佢有冇為自己既言論內疚過?

我用既言詞同大家有啲唔同,
而且我覺得有陣時,大方向啱同一致已經可以,

但係如果一個用詞不當又要咁激反駁......未必有利於最後達到共識



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原帖由 看電視 於 2009-5-9 10:43 PM 發表

有陣時我真係唔明,
我明明讚緊陳同學,點解又要反駁我?

如果睇晒我篇文,
應該明白我係講緊陳同學修養好,
我唔係話陳同學要道歉....
我只係話即時佢整件事唔係有咩錯,
但係佢都願意為咗自己 ...
呢句好激?~~~>咪係囉, 指出唔到陳同學錯系邊, 道咩歉?



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原帖由 古靈仔 於 2009-5-9 10:46 PM 發表


呢句好激?~~~>咪係囉, 指出唔到陳同學錯系邊, 道咩歉?
sorry... 其實我係refer to 九龍皇帝既回應,唔係你既回應......

呢度搞錯咗,唔好意思......

但係我係其他post見....算吧....我慢慢嚟........



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原帖由 看電視 於 2009-5-9 10:50 PM 發表

sorry... 其實我係refer to 九龍皇帝既回應,唔係你既回應......

呢度搞錯咗,唔好意思......

但係我係其他post見....算吧....我慢慢嚟........
你要分邊 d係客套說話, 邊 d係鄭重道歉?

柴玲、吾爾開希、司徒華、何俊仁、張文光、鄭家富、涂謹申的嚴肅道歉我還是在等待中, 這是中國 89悲劇要和解的重要一步! 散播謊言無直接殺人, 但間接殺了很多人 !

這班民主吸血鬼, 借著民主之名, 害了多少人?



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原帖由 看電視 於 2009-5-9 10:50 PM 發表

sorry... 其實我係refer to 九龍皇帝既回應,唔係你既回應......

呢度搞錯咗,唔好意思......

但係我係其他post見....算吧....我慢慢嚟........
客氣喇, 討論下駛咩道歉?

我都唔認同喎, 如果無錯, 點解要道歉?



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原帖由 古靈仔 於 2009-5-9 10:58 PM 發表


客氣喇, 討論下駛咩道歉?

我都唔認同喎, 如果無錯, 點解要道歉?
唔道歉係道理,
表示歉意係胸襟....

好似坐咗成十年監既劉剛咁,
佢係真心為學生好,
佢冇柴玲咁風光,
佢盡咗力叫學生撤退,
但佢對冇法令學生安全撤退感到內疚.......



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原帖由 古靈仔 於 2009-5-9 12:01 發表


當初推翻第一次投票時, 以有對手人員「站」在票箱附近, 如何不公正? 為何以「影響公正」為由發起第二次投票?

How is that 不公正?
Yeah u are right, how is that 不公正?

Students voted right? They did not make up the result, right?

有對手人員「站」在票箱附近... thats a technical fault.... so a relection was launched.... students were free to vote..... protected by secret ballot..... the votes were counted....

What's wrong with that?

That's what we call democracy in Hong Kong.

(God knows what your/ China's definition of democracy is ......)



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原帖由 古靈仔 於 2009-5-9 12:04 發表


似乎你也迴避我的問題, 請先提出我在上帖理據以說服我吧, 在CBC錄影中可以清晰見到暴徒拉軍人出裝甲車然後毒打及其他暴亂行為, 然後你竟可說成是「they have actually provided evidence for the CCP's crime, b ...
I thought I already have......

Don't tell me you didn't hear the gunshots, you didn't see tanks firing at the crowd, you didn't see the crowd running away from the gunshots.... and for some reason, in the wounded/ dead scene.... it seems to look a lot more than 23/ 36 people........

The presenter said, I quote, "... their mercyless storming of Taianmmen square has caused many lives.... hospital sources in Beijing said at least 1400 people were killed, they said 10000 were hurt , and the worst of it may not be over yet...."

The reporter said, I quote, "....but it was a hopeless cause.... they were being shot.... hospitals all over the city were flooded with the wounded or dead..... the army put on a vicious show of brute force... people fought back with the only weapons available to them, stones, bricks and Molotov cocktail...."

The students were being massacred.... and all they were doing was defending themselves with stones, bricks and Molotov cocktail.....



The way I answered your question, was that I doubted your logic. You implied that the students had committed a crime.... treason and they deserved to be put down (even using tanks or guns).

My question is one of proportionality (a legal concept) and justice- did they (even those leaders) deserve to be executed? Or even executed without trial?


你連中國現存的憲法, 也想加以否定,  那你還想怎樣討論下去?

Chinese public law (note, I said public)...... a complete shambles.......... look at their legal system.... a mixture of the civil law system and the socialist legal system..... a system that is loyal to the party..... You really want to talk about 中國現存的憲法?????


要支持你的論點, 也應引用其他國家的「顛覆罪、間諜罪」是如何, 以此印證你的論點吧, 對否?

Treason (high not petty)..... the last time a person was executed for treason, in England, was back in 1946 (William Joyce)..... Why don't you tell me about the Chinese figures? (last week I would imagine...)

The law is pretty there just for historic reasons.......  The IRA was not charged with treason, but with either murder or inciting murder...... so was Abu Hamza al- Masri.......

Also, note that in Great Britain, there is something called the SNP (Scottish Nationalist Party). It is a party (legal) that advocates the sepeation of Scotland from Britain. They were not just a legal party, but they were allowed to participate in elections.... they have MPs in the House of Commons...... and they actually formed government (the Scottish First Minister is the SNP leader) in Scotland.....


I wonder what would have happened to them if they were a group in the PRC..........

Is that good enough 引用其他國家的「顛覆罪、間諜罪」是如何, 以此印證你的論點吧 ?????

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原帖由 00lawv13SEB 於 2009-5-10 02:38 AM 發表

Yeah u are right, how is that 不公正?

Students voted right? They did not make up the result, right?

有對手人員「站」在票箱附近... thats a technical fault.... so a relection waslaunched.... students were free to vote..... protected by secretballot..... the votes were counted....

What's wrong with that?

That's what we call democracy in Hong Kong.

(God knows what your/ China's definition of democracy is ......)
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輸方投訴有自己人在票箱, 要求重選, 呢 d叫做民主? 你識唔識乜叫民主?
今次的罷免公投無合理原因展開, 不跟正常程序進行 !
這是民主? 民主是建基在不理性上?

我就唔知你要乜民主, 但 13億人口的中國行港大式民主就死梗 !

另外, 在中國人的論壇, 你可唔可以用翻中文? 你出街買塊手寫板唔使好多錢, window xp都有內置手寫板。



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原帖由 00lawv13SEB 於 2009-5-10 03:26 AM 發表

I thought I already have......

Don't tell me you didn't hear the gunshots, you didn't see tanks firingat the crowd, you didn't see the crowd running away from thegunshots.... and for some reason, in the wounded/ dead scene.... itseems to look a lot more than 23/ 36 people........
你連 89年中國公佈六四死三百幾人都唔知, 看來你的回覆大部份都是在不清不楚下作出討論
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The presenter said, I quote, "... their mercyless storming of Taianmmensquare has caused many lives.... hospital sources in Beijing said atleast 1400 people were killed, they said 10000 were hurt , and theworst of it may not be over yet...."

The reporter said, I quote, "....but it was a hopeless cause.... theywere being shot.... hospitals all over the city were flooded with thewounded or dead..... the army put on a vicious show of brute force...people fought back with the only weapons available to them, stones,bricks and Molotov cocktail...."

The students were being massacred.... and all they were doing wasdefending themselves with stones, bricks and Molotov cocktail.....
真相從來不是在電視中找, 所謂的醫院消息來源是美國之音作的
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The way I answered your question, was that I doubted your logic. Youimplied that the students had committed a crime.... treason and theydeserved to be put down (even using tanks or guns).

My question is one of proportionality (a legal concept) and justice-did they (even those leaders) deserve to be executed? Or even executedwithout trial?
你將 3樣野混為一談, 學生領袖、和平學生、暴徒平民或學生, 當你分開去睇,你就知乜事!
軍人被殺前, 學生、平民有無開過庭決定殺唔殺軍人?
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Chinese public law (note, I said public)...... a completeshambles.......... look at their legal system.... a mixture of thecivil law system and the socialist legal system..... a system that isloyal to the party..... You really want to talk about 中國現存的憲法?????
我認為中國法制問題不在她的法, 是她的執行出問題, 我和你識鬼中國法律, 你去請教鼠王芬啦 ! 睇幾篇蘋果就識中國法律咩?
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Treason (high not petty)..... the last time a person was executed fortreason, in England, was back in 1946 (William Joyce)..... Why don'tyou tell me about the Chinese figures? (last week I would imagine...)

The law is pretty there just for historic reasons.......  The IRA wasnot charged with treason, but with either murder or incitingmurder...... so was Abu Hamza al- Masri.......

Also, note that in Great Britain, there is something called the SNP(Scottish Nationalist Party). It is a party (legal) that advocates thesepeation of Scotland from Britain. They were not just a legal party,but they were allowed to participate in elections.... they have MPs inthe House of Commons...... and they actually formed government (theScottish First Minister is the SNP leader) in Scotland.....


I wonder what would have happened to them if they were a group in the PRC..........

Is that good enough 引用其他國家的「顛覆罪、間諜罪」是如何, 以此印證你的論點吧 ?????
你就唔好拿個小國和 13億人口的中國比啦 !

英國靠賣毒品, 做海盜富有左, 就梗係少左人做英奸, 少左份造反革命之心啦 !

蘇格蘭班人試下學愛爾蘭共和軍既玩法, 一樣會受逼害, 一樣會受鎮壓, 用殺人罪又好, 用叛國罪又好, 都係要令那人消失於公眾社會, 維持社會秩序。

你叫班蘇格蘭人學六四班人要攻入中南海咁攻入白金漢宮, 後果都係一樣 !
人權高漲的英國軍人一定唔會學解放軍, 一定先保護自己生命為上, 唔會學班無人性的解放軍唔保護自己生命, 開槍的密度一定高好多, 還會盡量對人頭開



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原帖由 爆雲歸西 於 2009-5-10 04:16 發表

輸方投訴有自己人在票箱, 要求重選, 呢 d叫做民主? 你識唔識乜叫民主?
今次的罷免公投無合理原因展開, 不跟正常程序進行 !
這是民主? 民主是建基在不理性上?

我就唔知你要乜民主, 但 13億人口的中國行港大式 ...
輸方投訴有自己人在票箱, 要求重選, 呢 d叫做民主? 你識唔識乜叫民主?

Have you ever heard of something called 'due process'????


今次的罷免公投無合理原因展開, 不跟正常程序進行 ....

http://hk.news.yahoo.com/article/090424/4/bupk.html
(That's called a vote of no confidence..... probably some remote and alien concept for a country like the PRC)


這是民主? 民主是建基在不理性上?

If you would describe the majority of HKU students as irrational (since they have voted to kick him out)..... then yes .........


在中國人的論壇, 你可唔可以用翻中文? 你出街買塊手寫板唔使好多錢

I am sorry.... I am in London.... and I can ensure you I am not the only one using English in this forum........



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