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你想不到的。新聞中說,登陸艇從艦濕塢,wet dock滑下海時,會下沉太多。
所以有些少風浪都不可以使用。

http://www.contactairlandandsea. ... -to-shore/#comments

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LHDs incapable of delivering tanks to shore

 10/08/2017 Brian Hartigan ,

5082 Views  5 Comments HMAS Canberra, HMAS Choules,mexeflote

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There were worrisome reports in the media yesterday saying the landing craft on the Royal Australian Navy’s Landing Helicopter Dock ships, HMAS Canberra and HMAS Adelaide, are not capable of delivering M1 Abrams tanks from ship to shore using their own landing craft.

CAPTION: An M1 Abrams tank is loaded onto a Mexeflote landing craft (from HMAS Choules) in the well dock of HMAS Canberra during Exercise Talisman Saber 17. Photo by Corporal Oliver Carter.

It seems the LHD landing craft (LLC) (which were bought after the original landing craft they replaced were found to be incapable before they even entered service), can carry a max load of 65 tonnes in ‘benign sea conditions’ – and their safe carrying capacity is progressively reduced to just 39 tonnes in sea state 4.

Or at least that was the theory.

Now it seems the RAN has suspended M1 Abrams tank-delivery trials using LLCs because the landing craft “sat lower in the water than expected” when a tank was driven onto them.

By the way, the current in-service M1 Abrams tank weighs 62 tonnes – which means that even if the landing craft performed as advertised, they could only deliver the Army’s main battle tank to the beachhead if the water was dead calm.

But now it seems they can’t even do that.

And, compounding this dilemma, future upgraded M1A2 Abrams tanks, which the Australian Army is already contemplating, could weigh up to 72 tonnes – which means LHD delivery will be a no go regardless – unless HMAS Choules and her mexeflote barges are nearby.

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甲, 登陸艇規格,http://www.navy.gov.au/fleet/ships-boats-craft/ac/lcm

乙,
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Small waves 'could stop Defence moving craft to shore' - The Australian,

www.theaustralian.com.au › news-story

6 Oct 2017 · Gentle ocean ripples would be enough to stop the navys billion-dollar ... The giant 230m-long landing helicopter docks HMAS Canberra and ,,


丙,兩棲艋,LHD【有跳版航母】,不足之地方,http://mil.sohu.com/20111129/n327286235.shtml



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2013年年中人口數字 
http://www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/201308/13/P201308130524.htm
谷歌下,xxxx年年中人口數字
下沉太多。

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Australian Defence Magazine,ADM.

www.australiandefence.com.au › news

10 Aug 2017 · Navy has responded to questions it took on notice during the May ... of the LHDs' landing craft for carriage of Army's main battle tank, the M1A1  。




Mexeflote【120頓的登陸艇】  only  for  Abrams as  LCM  trial  suspended,

Patrick Durrant | Sydney Navy has  responded to  questions it  took  on notice  during  the May Budget Senate Estimates hearing, revealing trials it was conducting to test the suitability of the LHDs’ landing craft for carriage  of  Army’s main  battle tank, the M1A1 Abrams,  have been suspended The tabled answer to Senator Gallacher’s numerous questions on the topic stated that the trial was suspended because the LCM-1E landing craft “sat lower in the water than was predicted”【下沉太多】 when the 57 tonne MBT was embarked下水時.


The maximum load carriage capacity of the LCM-1E in benign weather conditions is 65 tonnes, decreasing to 38.9 tonnes in Sea State 4 (moderate, wave height from 1.25 to 2.5 metres).  



Interestingly,  Navy  stated  further  test  and  evaluation  activities may  change  these  figures.



兩棲登陸艇唔會自己衝上岸
除非好似野牛咁用氣墊



LHD直剷上岸,有些是可以的.例如新加坡堅忍級Endurance class。


A.【見相片】 兩棲登陸艦的船頭門打開,斜橋ramp放下,,快速安全輸送車及人員上岸的。不用濕腳。
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Bow doors and bow ramp of the RSS Endurance
Note the massive Tank Deck along  the whole length of the ship。

http://langkawiairshowfan.blogspot.sg/2013/05/?m=1


B.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endurance-class_landing_platform_dock



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原帖由 風中老叔 於 2017-10-23 12:27 PM 發表
LHD直剷上岸,有些是可以的.例如新加坡堅忍級Endurance class。


A.【見相片】 兩棲登陸艦的船頭門打開,斜橋ramp放下,,快速安全輸送車及人員上岸的。不用濕腳。
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Bow doors and bow ramp of the RSS Endurance
Note the massive Tank Deck along  the whole length of the ship。
http://langkawiairshowfan.blogspot.sg/2013/05/?m=1


B.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endurance-class_landing_platform_dock
Bow doors and bow ...
堅忍級只是LPD, 佢那個大小只是同驅逐艦差不多既機庫, 有排都未夠班叫LHD

堅忍級缺點

船首開口
阻力大航速慢, 好難超過20節, 堅忍級滿載速度只有15節, 坎培拉級滿載有19節

直剷上岸
吃水必須淺, 船身尺寸同排水量有限制堅忍級6,000級對比坎培拉20,000+級

機庫
堅忍級機庫只可放2架直昇機, 就近連埋飛行甲板頂多4架, 立體登陸能力接近0
坎培拉級可放8架直昇機, 連埋飛行甲板可放18架, 立體登陸能力強

飛行甲板
堅忍級只同時可供2架中型直昇機起降坎
培拉級不但可以同時供更多直昇機起降, 更可供重型直昇機起降, 必要時更可操作STOVL飛機

車庫
堅忍級只可搭載20架左右車輛, 大半登陸部隊要徒步作戰, 不利登陸部隊戰術運動
坎培拉級只搭載100架以上, 整能搭載登陸部隊需要既各種車輛, 有利登陸後立即作戰及推進

火力支援
堅忍級只有1門快砲, 自保都不夠, 更不用說火力支援
坎培拉級有大機庫大飛行甲板, 可搭載攻擊直昇機甚至STOVL機, 為登陸部隊提供火力支援

[ 本帖最後由 generala 於 2017-10-23 02:25 PM 編輯 ]



星州一個轉,可以運幾佰兵上岸。

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http://kementah.blogspot.com/201 ... e-technologies.html

the last one is Daviod Boey ,



Tonne for tonne, ST Marine's Endurance 140 design can carry more landing craft than any other LST/LPD design available today. The mothership can land a battalion-size team【我估是幾佰人】 in one wave using its onboard FCUs and Fast Craft Equipment Personnel (FCEP) landing craft.



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原帖由 generala 於 2017-10-23 02:23 PM 發表

堅忍級只是LPD, 佢那個大小只是同驅逐艦差不多既機庫, 有排都未夠班叫LHD

堅忍級缺點

船首開口
阻力大航速慢, 好難超過20節, 堅忍級滿載速度只有15節, 坎培拉級滿載有19節

直剷上岸
吃水必須淺, 船身尺 ...
堅忍級只是坦克登陸艦,同航母比



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原帖由 大林林 於 2017-10-23 08:36 PM 發表

堅忍級只是坦克登陸艦,同航母比
有人拿隻LPD出來扮LHD然後話人地隻LHD廢
未陪佢玩陣

BTW坎培拉級係LHD



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原帖由 風中老叔 於 2017-10-23 04:27 AM 發表
LHD直剷上岸,有些是可以的.例如新加坡堅忍級Endurance class。


A.【見相片】 兩棲登陸艦的船頭門打開,斜橋ramp放下,,快速安全輸送車及人員上岸的。不用濕腳。
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Bow doors and bow ...
堅忍級戈種唔係叫剷上岸.... 無碼頭直剷嘅話船頭個聲納一次換一個都得。
要用碼頭嘅話人地LHD倒後泊一樣可以上落坦克



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坦克會游水抑潛水乎?


http://www.navy.gov.au/fleet/ships-boats-craft/lhd



唔信!


LHD/LPD要搭配LCAC,才是最佳配合

[ 本帖最後由 wailunau1 於 2017-10-25 01:02 AM 編輯 ]



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原帖由 風中老叔 於 2017-10-23 12:27 PM 發表
LHD直剷上岸,有些是可以的.例如新加坡堅忍級Endurance class。


A.【見相片】 兩棲登陸艦的船頭門打開,斜橋ramp放下,,快速安全輸送車及人員上岸的。不用濕腳。
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Bow doors and bow ...
美軍的LST 可直剷上岸,但早已退役。

新加坡的Endurance class 是混血兒,有LPD 及 LST 的部分功能!

但卻沒有LHD的功能,尤其是用全甲板垂直作業的功能。



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原帖由 Agent_Alpaca 於 2017-10-24 12:52 AM 發表


堅忍級戈種唔係叫剷上岸.... 無碼頭直剷嘅話船頭個聲納一次換一個都得。
要用碼頭嘅話人地LHD倒後泊一樣可以上落坦克
LHD .倒后,

#9
坦克會游水抑潛水乎?
現在袋鼠登陸艇載重不足。點運坦克?


http://www.navy.gov.au/fleet/ships-boats-craft/lhd



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